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Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.19 10:05:24 -
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Is this a thing? |
Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.19 10:14:56 -
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I think they needed a tank buff. As for another feature, i wouldve thought 90km points and webs wouldve been enough since their paper tank was really the only reason they dont get used more.
For me personally, removing them from dscan is a huge problem for plex fighting. In general i was under the impression that if you didnt want to be on dscan you can just take the force counterpart and cloak lol. |
Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:10:55 -
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Jeann Valjean wrote:Thought about this, and I don't think it'll make any difference for FW.
1) I don't think many people in lowsec will be flying recons unscouted through gates to go offensive plexing. At least not when FW starts to heat back up from the current lull.
2) People complained about the same thing when scan inhibitors were introduced, and they haven't affected the plex meta either.
3) It's not "gimping" a fit to add a probe if that probe is suddenly very useful. A Stratios can fit a cloak, probe, has drones for DPS. If you're solo and worried about recons destroying your T1 30-mil ISK cruiser, then fly a stratios. You'll only lose it if you're bad.
Just not true, i fly a 300m isk kite with 2000ehp. 2 completely undetectable recons land and suddenly my kite frigate is in a 160-170km diameter killzone. No decloak recal, no warning.
Im pretty sure there wont be a medium plex that isnt regularly visited by a recon anywhere in the warzone because :norisk: |
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:15:38 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Sounds good to me.
Novice, Small and Large plexes not affected.
Medium plexes have a higher chance to have some surprises inside. Enter at your own risk, or be the one camping it in a Combat Recon, or use a bait ship.
Harder intel and less predictability is good.
Predictably dying regardless of how much attention you are paying is not less predictable. |
Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.19 15:35:18 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Sounds good to me.
Novice, Small and Large plexes not affected.
Medium plexes have a higher chance to have some surprises inside. Enter at your own risk, or be the one camping it in a Combat Recon, or use a bait ship.
Harder intel and less predictability is good. Predictably dying regardless of how much attention you are paying is not less predictable. The recons warping into you, or camping the plex you are warping in to, cannot know if you're alone or with a couple of recon friends of your own. EDIT: agree on the Larges, but it does take some effort; I was referring mostly to effortless camping.
The whole thing is pointless. One group pull a recon on me, i never fight them ever again. Im not in the game to give people easy kills.
As for me having recon, a simple local count would usually cover that where i fly. |
Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:07:58 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:[
And again, this is 95% about medium FW complexes. You may be right, but I'm more interested in seeing how the meta evolves with this shake-up than worried that it will be 100% bad.
TBH, i dont see much of a distinction between large and med plexes. I predict that these will be used offensively. Meaning that if they sit in a medium all day people will soon know about them.
Far more likely is that they simply enter a system, dscan the med and large, get cloaky eyes in the large or put a disposable alt into the medium if local count is unaccounted for. Then enter plexes and kill targets with little risk at will.
Personally my alt is a perfect prober and a near perfect falcon so im covered, however, small roaming gangs of combat recons are gonna be very hard to evade, super hard to chase, and extremely hard to engage if they dont want to. Its just a really boring and unneeded meta that imo will be somewhat compulsory to adopt.
Im sure it will be fun for the people roaming in untouchable recon gangs though. |
Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.19 16:25:25 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:My issue is that there really is no difference between the 2, except the combat recons don't have that small targeting delay. I'd rather combat recons were immune to EWAR and Neuts.
I dunno, as long as they last more than 10 seconds on grid, the ewar tug of war is one of the most entertaining aspects of any reasonably equal fight, second to logi. With extra tank and the feature-set they already had im sure they would be very popular in fleets. With a slot layout pass to make armour tanking some of them an option.
No one has ever said they dont fly recon because they have **** tank and they appear on dscan. In fact, im not sure at all what inebriate ever thought that appearing on dscan was a problem that needed fixing. It just sounds like off the wall brainstorming. |
Crosi Wesdo
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Posted - 2014.12.26 16:14:27 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:I don't see why this doesn't affect small and novices as well.
One can easily do a recon with a sub 2 secs lock time and get people on the warp in, while being competely safe and already aligned out in case something bigger comes.
I foresee quite a lot of curses specifically fit for fast lock times to s**t on frigates camping outside small and novices If you spam the acceleration gate as you land on it you will automatically go into the plex. Pretty sure it still needs align time. I caught countless ships on the acceleration gate. Frigs need to be slow to spam the button unless i'm running scan res script unless heavily plated, dessies are pretty much a guaranteed catch
Nope, you can be locked, pointed and shot sometimes, but if you do your job right you could slide a dual plated rupture in if you want as you will just slip all the tackle as though it didnt happen.
If you catch people on the warpin it is due to them being bad or some server tick phenomenon that ive never encountered perhaps since i live in the UK. |
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